Why is it you show just the one man with one gun and not his many victims? Why in response to such tragic events do we so often see at most just the massed hardware of destruction and perhaps the armies that wield it, but seldom the huge devastation and misery they bring? As well show the massed ranks of Auschwitz guards each with a handful of poison gas crystals and not a victim in sight. War is terrible. The jihadists are fighting it now against you, against me, against anyone who refuses to see eye to eye with them. In the Middle East masses of people are being murdered, maimed, bereaved, beggared, as we speak, young people and children being brainwashed and forced to fight and die for their ghastly world conquest. Humour of any kind, even that of the the poor targeted people at Charlie Hebdo, is simply evasive, a distraction. Drawing rude pictures of your enemy or his idols will never stop his bullets and bombs and beheadings, end his hatred, curb his lust for power, shatter his delusions. I'm absolutely certain that, based on the the enlightened thinking and noble record of the Socialist Party in war and peace you can come up with something a bit more realistic. Please prove I'm not mistaken!
The post was not supposed to be an analysis of the Islamists or Jihadists but simply a show of solidarity with the victims by committing the same supposed "crime" of blasphemy, as many other websites have done. The SPGB anaysis of all religions guarantees that we will offend believers because we say they kneel prostrate before imaginary beings. See this recent post on one of our branch blogs. http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2015/01/fantasy-and-fairy-tales.html and another shorter comment http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2015/01/religious-killers.html
There is a funamental flaw in how people see the violence methods employed by islamist organizations. The attacks they orchestrate are not UNIQUELY and SOLELY motivated out of religion radicalism, although religion does have a major importance for them ideologically. The political cause plays a vital role and is indispensable to understand the architecture, structure and ideology of islamist organizations, the problem is that they’re often variable, and in order to understand them, it is necessary to deeply analyze the local dynamics of a certain country, region or even city. Therefore, it is often resorted to easy answers to explain the reason of these attacks, like: 1 – the people that compose these grupos are psychopaths, frustrated with their lives. 2 – They’re simply irrational fundamentalists who want to rule the world.
But, no organization could plan such accurate attacks without rationality, since these attacks need to be planned and calculated and this process involves a lot of puzzles. People die everyday, for many causes, like violence from urban areas, drone attacks of the USA or assaults by militias. There is nothing particular about people dying from violence and, if we analyze with coldness and rationality, we can reach the conclusion that more people in the Middle East have died by weastern attacks (this encompasses ALL attacks motivated by economic interests, not only Iraq and Afghanistan) than the opposite. You, europeans and americans, owe a lot to eastern people and they are now starting to see that they can't bow down before you and accept your rules. They want self-determination and sovereignity, and if the only way this demand is being expressed is through radical islamist groups, then be it. I certainly think that they do not defend the best form of government for Middle East, however, they are the only ones that can kick the imperialist coalition out of their land right now. Notwithstanding, I think the people of Middle East themselves are the ones who should decide what form of government is the best for them.
Stop stealing their oil, stop depriving them of the basic means of subsistence, stop killing civilians for economic interests, stop making their region a paradise for your corporations that cause poverty, pollution and destruction there. If you stop doing all of those things, they'll stop fighting you. But one thing is for sure: they didn't start this. By the way, before anybody makes any accusations, I am an atheist, I don't defend fundamentalism as the best for of government, but right now, unfortunately, there isn't anybody to face and confront the West.
Both these points about there being economic and political motives behind apparently religious reasons for a number of terrorist acts are accurate. Western attempts to invade occupy and annex oil producing regions or the pipeline routes are at the core of the whole MidEast turmoil and war. (Likewise in Africa)
One thing we should note however is that the most extreme terrorist acts in recent years have between Shia and Sunni in Iraq and now in Syria. The rise of Iranian political power saw alongside it the rise of Shia demands for equality as in Bahrain and the old regime royal families have been using Sunni believers to defend their own political control. There is also the issue of predominantly secular governments versus the Muslim Brotherhood (Sunni) that many Western governments manipulate for their mercenary motives.
Therefore when it comes to so-called Muslim extremist violence we should not over-look that fellow Muslims have overwhelmingly been the victims, a hundred-fold.
It is very simplistic to restrict the reason for political strife to mere religious causes...as we in the UK know only only too well from the Civil War in Ireland between two so-called christian communities...as Bosnians and Serbs came to understand...as followers of Hinduism and Islam in India discovered and Buddhists and Hindus in Sri Lanka...the list can go on of how religion has been used as a cloak to hide the real material reasons for war and civil war and disguise who the real benefactors of division are.
That's correct. A certain conflict might reflect a local or a global dynamics and can never be drought and reduced to a single absolute reason. The so-called terrorist organizations are not motivated by blind hatred, neither are their attacks random. They act as rational enterprises, planning, calculating and employing the most efficient method that can operate according to their goals and promote the impact they desire. Also, there is nothing particular and new about the violence of terrorist organizations. Every technique they use has been adapted or reproduced, but it already existed before and has been utilized for decades by guerrillas and other non military organizations.
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Why is it you show just the one man with one gun and not his many victims? Why in response to such tragic events do we so often see at most just the massed hardware of destruction and perhaps the armies that wield it, but seldom the huge devastation and misery they bring? As well show the massed ranks of Auschwitz guards each with a handful of poison gas crystals and not a victim in sight. War is terrible. The jihadists are fighting it now against you, against me, against anyone who refuses to see eye to eye with them. In the Middle East masses of people are being murdered, maimed, bereaved, beggared, as we speak, young people and children being brainwashed and forced to fight and die for their ghastly world conquest. Humour of any kind, even that of the the poor targeted people at Charlie Hebdo, is simply evasive, a distraction. Drawing rude pictures of your enemy or his idols will never stop his bullets and bombs and beheadings, end his hatred, curb his lust for power, shatter his delusions. I'm absolutely certain that, based on the the enlightened thinking and noble record of the Socialist Party in war and peace you can come up with something a bit more realistic. Please prove I'm not mistaken!
The post was not supposed to be an analysis of the Islamists or Jihadists but simply a show of solidarity with the victims by committing the same supposed "crime" of blasphemy, as many other websites have done.
The SPGB anaysis of all religions guarantees that we will offend believers because we say they kneel prostrate before imaginary beings. See this recent post on one of our branch blogs.
http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2015/01/fantasy-and-fairy-tales.html
and another shorter comment
http://socialist-courier.blogspot.com/2015/01/religious-killers.html
There is a funamental flaw in how people see the violence methods employed by islamist organizations. The attacks they orchestrate are not UNIQUELY and SOLELY motivated out of religion radicalism, although religion does have a major importance for them ideologically. The political cause plays a vital role and is indispensable to understand the architecture, structure and ideology of islamist organizations, the problem is that they’re often variable, and in order to understand them, it is necessary to deeply analyze the local dynamics of a certain country, region or even city.
Therefore, it is often resorted to easy answers to explain the reason of these attacks, like:
1 – the people that compose these grupos are psychopaths, frustrated with their lives.
2 – They’re simply irrational fundamentalists who want to rule the world.
But, no organization could plan such accurate attacks without rationality, since these attacks need to be planned and calculated and this process involves a lot of puzzles. People die everyday, for many causes, like violence from urban areas, drone attacks of the USA or assaults by militias. There is nothing particular about people dying from violence and, if we analyze with coldness and rationality, we can reach the conclusion that more people in the Middle East have died by weastern attacks (this encompasses ALL attacks motivated by economic interests, not only Iraq and Afghanistan) than the opposite. You, europeans and americans, owe a lot to eastern people and they are now starting to see that they can't bow down before you and accept your rules. They want self-determination and sovereignity, and if the only way this demand is being expressed is through radical islamist groups, then be it. I certainly think that they do not defend the best form of government for Middle East, however, they are the only ones that can kick the imperialist coalition out of their land right now. Notwithstanding, I think the people of Middle East themselves are the ones who should decide what form of government is the best for them.
Stop stealing their oil, stop depriving them of the basic means of subsistence, stop killing civilians for economic interests, stop making their region a paradise for your corporations that cause poverty, pollution and destruction there. If you stop doing all of those things, they'll stop fighting you. But one thing is for sure: they didn't start this. By the way, before anybody makes any accusations, I am an atheist, I don't defend fundamentalism as the best for of government, but right now, unfortunately, there isn't anybody to face and confront the West.
Both these points about there being economic and political motives behind apparently religious reasons for a number of terrorist acts are accurate. Western attempts to invade occupy and annex oil producing regions or the pipeline routes are at the core of the whole MidEast turmoil and war. (Likewise in Africa)
One thing we should note however is that the most extreme terrorist acts in recent years have between Shia and Sunni in Iraq and now in Syria. The rise of Iranian political power saw alongside it the rise of Shia demands for equality as in Bahrain and the old regime royal families have been using Sunni believers to defend their own political control. There is also the issue of predominantly secular governments versus the Muslim Brotherhood (Sunni) that many Western governments manipulate for their mercenary motives.
Therefore when it comes to so-called Muslim extremist violence we should not over-look that fellow
Muslims have overwhelmingly been the victims, a hundred-fold.
It is very simplistic to restrict the reason for political strife to mere religious causes...as we in the UK know only only too well from the Civil War in Ireland between two so-called christian communities...as Bosnians and Serbs came to understand...as followers of Hinduism and Islam in India discovered and Buddhists and Hindus in Sri Lanka...the list can go on of how religion has been used as a cloak to hide the real material reasons for war and civil war and disguise who the real benefactors of division are.
That's correct. A certain conflict might reflect a local or a global dynamics and can never be drought and reduced to a single absolute reason. The so-called terrorist organizations are not motivated by blind hatred, neither are their attacks random. They act as rational enterprises, planning, calculating and employing the most efficient method that can operate according to their goals and promote the impact they desire. Also, there is nothing particular and new about the violence of terrorist organizations. Every technique they use has been adapted or reproduced, but it already existed before and has been utilized for decades by guerrillas and other non military organizations.
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